Speaker 1 0:00

Yeah, I think I talked about the three things that I know, uh, and I talked about. Then it links.

Speaker 2 0:43

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Americans.

Speaker 3 0:46

What counts? It's one tonight is coming with me. Calming or sauce. [inaudible] yes. Tonight I will let introduce himself.

Speaker 1 0:57

Hi, I'm a James P with the Kansas City IWW. Uh, some of you might know me on Twitter as at local fanzine.

Speaker 4 1:10

Okay.

Speaker 3 1:10

How's everybody doing? I'm doing fine, but fine is a relative term. Um, I feel, I feel like as soon as one cluster fuck ends, another one begins and we never actually have a chance to stop and take a breath. And I cannot remember the last time that I took a nap. But apart from that, apart from the fact that everybody's lives are falling apart in slow motion, I'm fine.

Speaker 5 1:35

Yeah. So why don't we, why don't we actually touched on that really quick because, um, right now we're recording on a Tuesday, just after the unite, the right rally and one of our comrades, Heather hired as we've, this how your friend's name or their hair, um, was, you know, straight up murder in a terrorist attack by a fascist. And Yeah, there's a lot of grieving and mourning going on. There's a lot of people coming out, uh, and the solidarity and support on the left. There's a lot of, you know, corn cobs centrus who really still for some reason can't see the difference between like the people who want to build a better world and the people who want to create a fascist one. So, um, why don't I just throw it out for your taste?

Speaker 1 2:24

Uh, James and you run with this. Okay. Uh, yeah, I saw today, uh, you know, uh, Trump used the term alt left and uh, I, uh, I was pretty, I was pretty blown away. I was like, I was like a, I think I said something to the effect of, uh, it's like liberals are like genetically engineered to give the right ammunition. Like they just, they can't help it, you know, like it was all these, uh, uh, it's, uh, you know, her throwing around terms like all laugh, trying to equate, you know, anti fascism or a socialist organizing with, you know, uh, a hideous right wing ideologies. And like, here, here we are now, now the, uh,

Speaker 4 3:14

okay,

Speaker 1 3:15

okay. The 20th worst president in American history is now using it as like ammunition against people.

Speaker 5 3:24

And not only that, but um, you know, when he did finally come out of, and when he did finally come out and give his clinical full throated a condemnation of the alt right and the badges attacks, it really was like, he was a scorn child who was dragged in front of the microphone, is to give an apology that you really didn't believe it. And, and I think that with, with the gap in time between the event and his condemnation really, and the, and the, you know, the weakness of his condemnation, it really I think sends a very clear signal to the rights to these batches that, um, the president is on their side.

Speaker 4 4:11

Okay.

Speaker 3 4:12

That, and then the Alameda County Sheriff retweeting Richard Spencer and, um, following outright people in the Alameda County sheriff, the ones co a Buckley is in that jurisdiction

Speaker 5 4:26

and the Fascia coming to Berkeley on the 27th. So we already know from the events in April and then later in spring we already know what side the police departments more of is loud. But now we also know that the sheriff's as well. Oh yeah. And that's absolutely no surprise. I mean, the Oakland police department is still under receivership for the massive systemic racism that they have been under and a huge levels of corruption and incompetence. So, I mean, you know, there are police force, so this is something you just expect for a police horse anyway. But the East Bay police forces are, um, a little extra, I think.

Speaker 1 5:10

Yeah. Uh, Kansas City's police force is actually run by the state. If I remember correctly. It's because, uh, one of the precinct houses was running a burglary ring for like a decade throughout the east side of the city. But you know, a bunch of other shit too. I mean this entire town is like, you know, it was like mob run up until like the seventies here. There's pictures of Harry Truman with like Kansas City mobsters, like in their jail cells and shit. Like it's like that deep here. So it's just like looking at any, any form of leadership in this city. You just expect them to be like a, like a pack and a milky in a straight razor

Speaker 3 5:47

that at least mean that new kind of know what to expect. Cause it's been exactly that parable for three years or is it just, it's, it's changed a lot. It's definitely

Speaker 6 5:58

like they ran out the mob and all that shit in like the 80s. So like everyone had to like, you know, like, like their ty was like on straight and shit when they went on TV. But like for the most part, you know, like there's not a lot of like faith in local leadership around here. It's actually, I think honestly that my theory is that they just, the decades of corruption in Kansas City actually just sort of like muted interest in politics all together. We had a vote a couple of weeks ago for the $15 an hour minimum wage and uh, it passed, but it passed with 10% of the vote showing up in a municipal election. So like, and I have metropolitan area of about 2 million people, like 10% showed up. Yeah. There are places in the world where they would invalidate those election results from low turnout. Like that's three of the yellow. That's pretty average. Jesus. Well. Okay, so, so then, you know, if, if it's people are so sort of politically disengaged, like what does it take I guess to reengage them, uh, as, uh, an activist or as someone who cares about these things, what kind of sort of cultural or political pushes, uh, do you see as as necessary or as capable of reengaging people and you're getting them to feel like they have a real voice in assistant again, uh, you know, uh, we're, I would say the biggest thing you have to push back on it and municipal level, at least here in my opinion, is a, you have to like sort of renegotiate the terms of what can be talked about. You know, with gentrification comes massive privatization, you know, so you have to start asking questions like, why do we have private companies picking up our trash? Why, you know, why are there advertisements on the radio to privatize our airport? You know, like, uh, you, you have to start to engage on, on levels of like, what do we actually have democratic control over? What does that mean? You're essentially having to sort of like reestablish the idea of a municipality a lot of the time or um, it, when you're talking about electoral politics anyway, but you know, street politics, you know, like what wobblies do. It's, it's all still one on one. How has your day type of stuff, you know, like engaging people like where they're already at. But that's, that's also difficult to, do you have a preference for either of those types?

Speaker 4 8:37

Okay.

Speaker 6 8:37

Uh, oh, between like, uh, electorial and street politics, it depends what it's peaceful at the time.

Speaker 4 8:44

Okay.

Speaker 6 8:44

I think it depends on which project I'm a part of, whether it works in that mold, you know, uh, it's, it's the, both of the things are there. They're strictly tactics to me, but I will say

Speaker 1 8:56

I have a longer affinity for street politics. That's sort of my, I come from a pretty lengthy anarchist background and there wasn't a lot of like progressive push when I was first getting involved politically. So like if you were to ask me like, you know, uh, do, do you want to like, uh, you know, like get a bunch of signatures for ballot initiative or like do like some sort of direct action or feed homeless people? Like I'm probably going to do the direct action or feed homeless people.

Speaker 4 9:25

Okay.

Speaker 5 9:26

I was just about to ask. Um, so what's your, what's your background? Uh, where are you coming from? Like you said, I was going to ask if you're like how anticapitalist or what tendency is what kind of, um, like who are you sort of fall in the, the left political spectrum and sort of what brought you to that point?

Speaker 4 9:46

Hmm.

Speaker 1 9:47

I had all the makings of being like, like a, a bow tie, dip, shit, libertarian. Uh, I definitely would have been like a professional libertarian if I hadn't had sort of like made the decision that like future was pointless at 18. So essentially like 18, I gave into nihilism like total mimetic void type of thing. Like, uh, like the tea like that, that comics you see on Facebook like that, like who gives a shit? And then I met a young anarchist and an old black pant there and they really speak Amy at like community college and that kind of like changed that path. It's something that

Speaker 5 10:23

I talk about quite a bit is that there are sort of like two different types of libertarians are right libertarians I should say. Uh, there are those that are on their way to becoming fascists and there are those that are on their way to becoming an actual libertarians.

Speaker 1 10:37

So yeah, it looks like, it looks like you fell into the correct category on that. Yeah, I totally, by accident I, I attribute it all to just being like a really weak willed young person. Like I'm sure if someone else would have come along and they would have been like, uh, if I would have met like, uh, like a human is first, I would've been like, okay, let's like, where's my fucking robot arm?

Speaker 3 10:57

Well, I mean, robot arms, all very, very persuasive. I would, I would love a robot arm. But when I was going to touch on is normally when you, when you were young, we weak willed young man. And you get radicalized into anarchism, it's usually going to be something like, you know, listening to too much rage against the machine rather than listening to actual IRL anarchists and Black Panthers. So I think that's, that's kind of a, a special story that, that you have.

Speaker 1 11:29

Yeah. Turns out cigarettes rule and smoked cigarettes cause that's how you meet like the cool people that work at your college bookstore.

Speaker 3 11:38

Yes. When, when I was in Chicago for the convention, I, it turns out whenever I'm out of town for a shoe for socialism thing, I take up smoking again. And then when I leave I stopped again. Um, it's a terrible habit. Nobody should smoke. Uh, it can kill you, but I cannot get over my affection for the Jairam close

Speaker 6 11:59

second, listen to our kids drink, smoke or do drugs. I saw, yeah, I saw your, I saw your pictures of their cigarettes and I could just tell they were took by just a supremely please person. There's so much satisfaction behind that camera. The camera, the picture itself is so sturdily taken. There's no,

Speaker 3 12:23

yeah. Uh, it has been, it had been like 10, 15 years since I've last seen a pack of Jaren. Vanillas and, um, it was, it was like the heavens opened up in a choir of angels sang to me and my eventual tumor.

Speaker 6 12:38

So you mentioned, you mentioned privatizing Asian. Um, and this is kind of a huge thing, especially for people who are in the, you know, in, in the left, seen, uh, people who are involved in sort of like arts culture, kind of on the ground stuff. Is Kansas City light in terms of how it's been growing and, and how that growth is sort of like you've been directed. I mean the growth itself is completely left out to private business, um, uh, with, of course aid by the state because you know, capitalism needs the state to function and you'll see that reflected on a municipal level often. I don't know how they, how they do things out there and fancy town, but, uh, we, we, uh, they run our thing through something called tax increment financing. Sorry for the fancy town date. That was rude. Uh, but shaping social, listen, I hear, don't worry about it. That's telling you we live in wine country, so, oh, that's so cool. Yeah. It's actually less cool than you would think, uh, to live here because it's super boring. Uh, you have to really dig hard to find a good art scene and everything's Goddamn expensive. Yeah. Yeah. I went to San Francisco once, I went to the bay once, like a good Gillian years ago, and I was like, this, this place is not, I wasn't, I wasn't ready for it. Uh, yeah, we're, we're kind of in that, uh, because of the, sort of like a development that's happening at the center of the city and Kansas City's downtown. We've actually recently, within the last year, have had this, um, land speculation. Boom. We're just like, everybody's rent went up by like $100. And, uh, and like, uh, there's no reason for it. It's the same place. It's not changing that rapidly, but like, because there's no, no way to really combat, uh, people who set the pricing on housing. They just said, they are just like, oh, hey, a $500 apartment is now $600, you know, uh, a thousand is now 1200. Um, you know, like, uh, just because you know, there, there's no way to fight against it. Uh, I will say the, uh, the way, the way they run the tax increment financing here is actually really, really, um, it's, it's one of those things, it's like the perfect sort of like sinner, right pitch to like a suburban voting population in that they, uh, they say like, Oh, you know, we'll let these people develop here, will, we'll encourage them develop here, but they don't have to pay property taxes for, you know, decade, 20 years for a couple of them. Uh, which, you know, that's how you fund schools and libraries. So, you know, the places that are being hit harder is by it. You know, where the primary focus of the developments are in the downtown area, which is the Kansas City public school district. So now we have giant swaths of property, uh, that just aren't paying property taxes to, to a lot of schools that are fairly impoverished. The most egregious of one. I would say it was probably when they gave a, have you guys ever heard of Helzberg diamonds? Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah, they're from here. And we gave Shirley Helzberg like a new building, uh, uh, on tiff and it wasn't developed anywhere. It was actually down in like essentially the part of town where gentrification blossomed out from in Kansas City. So essentially we just, we gave her like, uh, like 15 years of paying no property taxes, just so she could have like a cooler, uh, like loft space for her cocktail parties. It's, it's really disgusting. Yeah, that sounds about right. So yeah, it's par for the course as the official, um, non theory person. I'm, I'm gonna, I'm going to join the adults here that everybody else has already joined. So these new gentrifying properties with get a 10 or 20 attacks holiday, the public goods end up with very little funding, for example, public schools, uh, transit. And then because the area is gentrifying, people looking for alternatives to government run public goods and then comes up the privatization options. So the charter school or private school or Uber, Lyft, the dots. Ah, yeah. Um, actually the way our charter school system is writing here is pretty fascinating and that the staff at the charter schools is getting paid more than the public school teachers. So they're just trying to like completely annihilate the public education system as fast as possible. Um, that just surprise me. Um, having experience in, in education like kindergarten, Pre k, there is not a lot of in, in

Speaker 3 17:50

education in general. And it would not surprise me to see charter schools doing that same kind of thing that they, that Lyft and Uber did, you know, offer stuff for this case incredibly cheap. And then Jack up the prices when there's no competition or for charter schools offer good pay. And then when there's no other opportunities, drop it down to salvation level.

Speaker 1 18:12

Oh yeah. And any of the, they're opening up with the great, uh, just, uh, one after another, you know. So, uh, there's, I don't know how many there are in like within a 10 minute drive or a 30 minute bus ride for me. Um, but there are tons. Uh, so essentially what I think is, uh, they're all sort of like trying to price each other out. I think of staff, like, I think this is like warfare and multiple fronts. It's always hard to tell because, you know, no one, no one in our local newspaper really writes about this stuff. It kind of got to sit back with like your, your other politically inclined people and sort of like analyze the situation and sort of like, I mean, treat it like a, like a McDonald's in a Wendy's. That's the way I look at it. Like this, this big Donald's, these, this Wendy's to go out of business, this Starbucks needs this local coffee shop. You go out of business, you know, like, so that's the way I sort of been analyzing the charter school

Speaker 5 19:14

boom in Kansas City. Well, yeah. Well that's it. That's exactly what it is. And it doesn't matter if it's providing a vital and necessary service to the society. Uh, what do you prioritize? Things they always have to function as a, a private business. They always have to be pushing for profit and they always have to be um, uh, destroying and absorbing their competition. They have to do that because that is what the market demands of. So when there is a, when there is a public option, they have to hold the hold the best teachers away from it and you paid them the most. And then once they finally star the public education system of theirs and the public school start failing because they can't adequately teach their, their students, then they go to the government and say, see how education doesn't work anymore? You have to pull all your funding and put it all into the, into the private schools. And so now they don't have to worry about public option anymore, which is something that will again happen if you had the public option,

Speaker 7 20:23

uh, of,

Speaker 5 20:25

uh, we're in the ACA, the private insurance companies that do exactly the same thing. They would undermine it, undercut it, and defunded until the public option is worthless and say, see, you can't have a public option.

Speaker 7 20:41

Okay.

Speaker 5 20:41

And it's a public option is basically destroyed. They have to, uh, and, and even before that they have to cannibalize other, because you can't have, you can't really have competition really as, as a capital is the most is she wants, is one other company or one other product or one other choice. It's very easy for ab list, for the, for a market to deal with a binary choice choice is very easy to, uh, steer people in, in a direction you want them to. It's, it's, they stop thinking about what else could it is possible because they, they have a choice, but it's not a real choice anymore. So yeah, it's exactly as you're saying. You had to treat, um, a public school or a private charter school as a business like Wendy's, you can't think of them as schools.

Speaker 2 21:34

Okay.

Speaker 6 21:35

Yeah, I mean, uh, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's getting, it's getting a weird out here. I don't even know how to quantify a lot of it really, because a, it's done so quietly and so quickly, like a, you know, like I said, you turn her, I was talking to a, a trash driver on his lunch break at my day Gig and uh, you know, we were hanging out smoking a cigarette, which again, rules. I was talking to him and I was like, oh hey man, you know, he was real, real hot outside. Summers can't sit are terrible. And uh, how's like, I was like, hey man, come over here in the shade. We were talking about it and he was like, yeah, we don't get shade breaks anymore. You know, he's like, I gotta eat on the go. I got to run. And I was like, I was like, what about the union? You know, most trash workers, if I remember correctly, or Fciu uh, Eh, at least they represent them throughout the country. And he had no idea what I was talking about. Yeah. Like this is, this company came in and like their, their workers just don't even have any idea that there's a union that's almost dedicated to it, like representing them entirely or like they're weighing of the

Speaker 5 22:41

industry entirely. It's, it just happened so quick and so quietly, they didn't even know that they, wow. That's, that's actually kind of scary. [inaudible]

Speaker 6 22:55

could you give us maybe a brief rundown of some, some other staff that's, that's your spotting being, being privatized or a stealth, privatized, just each time you turn around? Uh, it's not so much, I dunno if it's so much that more things are being privatized. I mean, uh, I think it's that, that the way I, I look at it a lot and this is the way I sort of put it together in my head. I don't know if it makes very much sense to other people, but I sort of look at the way like options have been whittled down and talking points have been whittled down. Like, you know, um, it's, it's like, uh, outside of the realm of thought to talk about, you know, why, you know, uh, three times as much for a water bill and we were two years ago to a, to a private company for a municipal water supply, like will literally die without it. Uh, so that's kind of the way I've been thinking about things lately. Um, that and also just, you know, massive business developments all throughout the city. Specifically a Cerner, Cerner is a big company here. They actually just bought up a huge chunk of my old neighborhood in southeast Kansas City and turned it into like a Cerner Ville kind of a company town thing going down. I don't know if they're going to go full company town. There's a part of me that like wants to see that cause it's like only something I'm familiar with and like old folk songs. So it's like, I want to see what the, the white collar company town looks like as opposed to like the coal miner company town.

Speaker 3 24:34

Well, you'll, you'll probably be able to compare and contrast to now with, uh, with Google's company towns since they're moving in the direction of, you know, buying housing and then giving it to their employees to live in. So wealthy you get, or at least they are eating the, this is the same company that a few years ago floated the idea of, of Google barges and everybody thought that they were going to be housing their h one B employees in barges off the felt

Speaker 6 25:08

that's exactly what they were going to do. And, and you know that that was not going to be pretty, oh, I want to live on the, on the Google trash island in the lake in the middle of this Pacific. I went to live on like the, on Amazon. They do more. I'll live on the Amazon trash island.

Speaker 4 25:26

Okay.

Speaker 3 25:26

Yeah. I, I leave the, has 80% of the, uh, of the Great Pacific Trash, whatever, the trash guy. And that's just purely because they all their first, it's landed, it would drone on it. That's distribution facility right there in the middle of the Pacific garbage patch. I'm surprised nobody said anything about it.

Speaker 6 25:47

Oh, that's wild. And Breaking News, you've got the scoop here, folks. Yeah. Well, it's good for Amazon is good for business. It's good for us next week for business. It's good for people, right. That's how capitalism works, right? I mean, I'm just good. Right? It's good. It's good. Yeah. I hear it a lot. So it must be true. Yeah. Heard around town. So, so let's talk about how good a capitalism has been to the sort of like a poor and minority communities where you live. Uh, you know, I mean, I hate to put it this way, but it's a, it's a lot of the same. You see nationwide, you know, a food deserts, uh, residential neighborhoods with, you know, sort of neglected thoroughfares. Pretty, pretty normal, you know, of course police brutality, things like that. I KCPD killed three people last week, um, which is big upswing for them.

Speaker 1 26:45

And it's, yeah. Like I said, I hate to put it so blahzay, but it's just, it's so systematic across the board. Every city in the country is, uh, the same place almost now.

Speaker 5 26:55

Yeah, it's pretty terrible. Um, uh, but yeah, it's something that, um, that I, I wanted to bring up, you know, in terms of the way that capitalism and gentrification really is a drain on the people who are Lou homemade is there, um, you know, it comes in, it installs a typically white sort of middle class people. You get a bunch of financialization coming in, taking over, you know, previously like cultured places, races that have like actual communities and real culture happening. Uh, and it basically just turns it into this sort of plastic Disneyland for, for, for wealthy people. Yeah. What does that doing that, that you see? Like where do you see, uh, where do you see what you've seen that you existed and, and is there any push back or what's going on for you?

Speaker 4 27:59

Okay.

Speaker 1 28:00

Um, uh, pushback is light. I'll say that a kids, a city, have you heard of like second city syndrome? A syndrome where like, uh, people in Chicago are like, oh, we're as good as New York or whatever. Right? Uh, like Kansas City has like fifth city Centrum, uh, syndrome. So like anything that happens here that's like, you can tell somebody about like, uh, like you gotta like, you gotta support it 100%. Like, uh, I would say the majority of Kansas Citians, uh, spe, specifically ones that live outside of the sort of center city areas are a, are definitely for the gentrification. Like there's a huge part of the populace that is for this as far as what it looks like on the ground level. It looks like a empty buildings getting full up with things that are like less useful than being an empty building. Like, you know, uh, uh, studios, Steph EIT that mostly bars and restaurants. Yeah, this is a car town. Very few people take the bus. So you got to do a lot of drunk driving in order to like connect with the culture. Uh, so that's pretty normal. So there should say this, you know, so we build bars everywhere. I live in kind of the, the, um, uh, what's called Midtown Kansas City. Traditionally speaking, kind of like a mixed income, uh, ethnically diverse neighborhood there. And there are about, uh, uh, uh, there are two colleges right around here. So as the type of neighborhood that needs to be like, cheap enough for students and you know, therefore working class families as well. So it's, it's, it's holding strong ish, but someone just sold a parking lot and put into pickled mans and one of those like delivery cookie places. You guys what I'm talking about the late night cookie delivery places. I am familiar with late night cookie delivery in the, I'm incredibly jealous that there isn't one here that also glad that there isn't one here cause it's a sign of gentrification. But I'm not familiar with this, this pickled ones or, okay. So I kind of figured that our justification would it look different than everyone else's in the fact that it's just everything's becoming the shitty is strip mall imaginable. Like we had like the, the normal, you know, creative class type of gentrification where it's like, this is my artisinal soap store, you know, but, uh, now that's getting pushed out. And so what we're getting is like APER niche, like fast food services essentially like this place, uh, this cookie shops open until four 20 and we deliver bro, like that type of place. And it's like a corporate chain. Oh. So the end of the Lorraine that targeted towards I guess more millennials, uh, no. Like they'll literally just deliver a single cookie to your house. Like, like it's that it's a nightmare job. I can't imagine. How was it even profitable? That doesn't make any goddamn sense. They're huge cookies, man. But, but yeah, uh, it's, it's insane. So it's like a lot of things moving in like that, like regional sandwich shops and a, and then, you know, the, uh, late night a cookie delivery service because we live in the worst version of reality possible. I told, uh, uh, a friend of mine that, uh, we're just, uh, we're just filling in big box stores with little boxes. That's all it is. Like, we're still doing the exact same shit that's like done out in a suburb where it's like every, every massive parking lot has like an Applebee's and a Lowe's in a Walmart. And a, and like a payday loan place or whatever, like every, every place is the exact same except a here it's the exact same but like quirky. It's like the TV version of like the of like the artsy girlfriend. Like that's what it is. It's like they're really well plotted out version of it. It's the web search engine that they use on TV that they can't actually say Google, but they want it to sound like that says Google. Yeah. Google or like, or I'd say, Oh man, just log onto the web. Yes. It's, it's the friend face lotion of, yeah. Right. So like, uh, people are obviously, I would say probably the area that if we're, if we're talking about the sort of, the way people talk about gentrification when they talk about white people with money moving into, uh, uh, neighborhoods of color, it would probably be the west side, which is sort of our traditionally, um, uh, uh, Latino. Um, and, uh, that's, I would see the, the full incursion of the creative class arts community has been, has hit the hardest, I would say, because that's where people lived already. You're just called the crossroads and that's kind of like our big art district now. But no one really lived there for a long time. Like it was really just sort of mostly abandoned and like a few like a warehouse guy, sandwich shops, you know. Yeah. So it's, uh, the west side is probably where it's being hit the hardest. Um, and those communities, there are more risk from the inherent violence of gentrification than almost anyone else. Um, I feel like there's a, there's a lot of like longterm Latino families down in that area that own their homes, so it's harder to push them out. So, which means people start moving east, which the historically African American neighborhood of Kansas City. So that's probably going to get pretty ugly pretty quick. So you yourself are an artist, so are you part of that, uh, that area or are you not comfortable saying, I mean, it's fine if you're not comfortable. Oh yeah, yeah, I'll talk, I'll talk about it. Whatever. I mean, if you can't admit your own complicity in the systems you're a part of, then like, you know, you should probably just go hide and not talk about it anymore. But yeah, primarily like I do like some visual work, but I, I mostly just a write poetry, which is, it's, it's really hard to gentrify people with poetry because only 10 people like it. Uh, so I mean, uh, as far as like my framework as an artist, that's where I am. But one of the things I noticed a pretty, pretty readily being involved in the arts scene or the visual arts scene was how we're sort of like the, uh, the spear tip, you know, wherever the, the, the artists go to like find space to do their work and find rent that they can afford. Because you know, most, I guess semi professional artists that I know or even professional artists I know, you know, they been restaurants, they work in warehouses, they work on construction crews. Like this is a fairly blue collar community. You go where blue collar people live because you're one of them. In some cases, there are quite a few cases where there's a lot of people who it's like, oh, you know, they're doing blue collar stuff and you find out that they're like, uh, they're, they're, they, they were like bored with like a, a backup monocle. But like, you know, you, you, you're trying to find that space. But you know, uh, with the, with, uh, the commoditization of, of art of the creative act, it creates an incentive for people to sort of chase them, uh, specifically people with money and a very predatory way. There's, there's an incentive to find where the artists live. Surely we deify, you know, people who make art write poetry or making music, we deify them in a strange way because we've divorced that creative acts from our lives so much with the, the financial aspects. Like, oh, all of a sudden, you know, this guy who is a real estate developer who liked buying paintings comes to this, you know, gallery that was in some guys garage by as a painting and realizes he can afford that entire block in it. And it's something that I think many arts communities have to start thinking about. You have sparked thinking about our actions and the way we, the way will be affect the world around us. I think we, because our art could be heavy,

Speaker 8 36:08

I think we've even had this, this conversation or something like it, um, via Twitter because that's exactly what we still haven't with San Francisco, all the artists went out to Oakland and then Oakland became trendy and normally artists now are having to leave Oakland because the in place that you can make this is a fire trap.

Speaker 1 36:28

Yeah. Uh, and you know, there's, uh, there's, uh, we had, uh, we had a $1 home sale in Kansas City for a painted housing. Uh, I'm wondering to see who turns those just in the, into straight up art galleries, Sumter sometime down the road. But, um, uh, yeah, I mean, and that's, that's what happens here and it's, and it's something that's just been on my mind for a long time. Like, you know, how do you, how do you reconcile with, uh, with being weaponized no matter what your art actually means?

Speaker 5 36:57

Yeah. Because it seems like that, it seems like an impossible scenario for you as an artist because it, because we've seen that over and over again. Any art that criticizes capitalism and, and speaks to people and is emotionally resonant becomes popular. And the way that popularity works in a market is that people start throwing money at it. And when you start throwing money at it, you just, you're just sort of like re reincorporated into the capitalist system. So you can't get popular if you're an artist and, and you know, and not become part of that capitalist system. So, so how do you like, as an art community, so to survive without, um, you know, bringing essentially capitalism along with you?

Speaker 4 37:50

Okay.

Speaker 1 37:50

I mean, I mean, you can't, you know, it's just like [inaudible] everyone, I'm speaking broadly, I use the terms art, but I tend to say a speak in terms of like sort of creative acts, you know? And I feel like that's a healthier way to look at art when we're looking at the things that we make and the things that we do. We need to sort of like, he specialize in, in De commodified the language around it. And a lot of ways I feel like when we talk about art, we, you know, we're, we're, we're, we're thinking about galleries, we're thinking about museums, we're thinking about things that are for sale and, uh, you know, and I don't begrudge anyone making a living on their work, but I think we have a responsibility as a community to sort of speaking about the ways like a sudden the noise that we, that we do damage. And I think one of those is a speaking about art is something that is divorced from, uh, from basic human existence.

Speaker 2 38:45

Okay.

Speaker 5 38:45

It actually, you know what that reminds me of? Um, I was, uh, I follow a, a youtube where, uh, where left this personality you described some cell former comedian and, and the reason why is because he's kind of a similar way of talking about, uh, the act of comedies as you do about sort of like the act of art. It is, comedy is not sort of a thing in and of itself. It is for him. It's harder of a broader personality that he is creating for himself and for his audience. And

Speaker 2 39:20

the [inaudible]

Speaker 5 39:22

Asian, uh, comedy is, is something that is ultimately, he feels detrimental to himself because not only is, uh, is that sort of like plain to this thing, same kind of capitalist alienation of you are this thing and that's all you do and, and that's the only thing you're ever going to get remunerated for. But it also, you know, pampers, his like, it, it, it, it binds his creativity to be a very narrow thing that he can't explore around or outside of.

Speaker 1 39:56

Yeah. It's, you know, so it's like, I have a book for sale right now. And the thing I keep thinking about this book is like, it's like now that work, you know, all of this sort of like years of like patients and editing and stuff like that, it's now a book for sale, you know, uh, it's a group of work that represents about like three, five years of my life since like five years of my life is now a book for sale. Uh, it's, it's a very strange feeling. Uh, I guess, I guess to me anyway, most people I feel probably don't have a huge problem with it. They're like, yeah, whatever, just like, uh, please pay me. But to me it's, it's a, it's a really strange place to be, to kind of actually see, um, I was going to say to see like your surplus value in paper form, but I suppose since it's a book that you wrote and you are selling, that's not really, not really so much. Yeah, it was. It's, it's, it's through a publisher. Uh, but, uh, but yeah, it's, it is, it is that too. It's, it's, it's a strange, like I said, it's a strange thing to look at when you're, when you're anticapitalist to look at this thing that you do. And uh, and I'd be like, Oh wow, there, that's, it's, this all feels wrong. This is all upside down now. Now we're going to be exchanging money for this thing. Yeah. Which is cool cause like I said earlier, I like cigarettes and those cost money and I can't negotiate that. So like I sell actually it's a, it's a win win for everyone. Be Cause all buy cigarettes with the book money and then I'll die quicker and so they won't have to read anymore of the books. So it's like, perfect.

Speaker 4 41:34

Okay.

Speaker 6 41:39

Oh, can you at least maybe weaponized your, your death in some way? Just like take out a bunch of people with second hand smoke or something like, uh, you know, I, if, if I were not married and had a kid, I would definitely do that. But I feel like at that point, uh, I feel like it's going to be like my wife's decision in what to do with my dead body. She might want to shoot it out into the ocean from a cannon. All right, let me be rid of me. But, uh, Eh, uh, but I don't know. I'll leave that up to her if, if she doesn't care, you guys could do whatever you want. All right, sweet. Well, James had getting contact. Let us know if we can have this dead body. Yeah, I'm already dead. I don't care. Type area springs back onto topic. Okay.

Speaker 5 42:31

Um, yes. Uh, shooting people at that are shooting dead bodies out of cannons. So, um, what do you think is the proper board? They were talking about sort of art and since your vacation, there's that, there's that constant push of the, the, you know, the being creative and, and putting so much of your energy into something that is, is ultimately, uh, under the system that we live in. Kind of detrimental to your own communities is kind of like a wild thing. But, you know, it's, it's not just the artists and, you know, they, they are, a lot of the artists eventually find their way to somewhere else, like the, uh, the artists in San Francisco. Uh, eventually moved out into Oakland. You know, even though they're getting priced out of that now they're moving somewhere else. The art scene in New York, a lot of those people sort of trickled out to places like Detroit. So there's this constant churn and cycle, but there are still sort of other communities and people who don't have jobs or skills that are as, as readily able to pick up and move. So there's always that question of what happens to them. And, and I think that one of the things that we've seen that, that happens to them is that they aren't sort of seen as this excess disposable population by the wealthy incomers who want to create these very sanitized places. And the only way that they ever know how to do that because they can't engage, uh, with these, with the people who live there because their, their culture is so alienated.

Speaker 6 44:21

Yeah.

Speaker 5 44:21

It's the police.

Speaker 6 44:25

Yeah. It creates a lot of danger. Um, one of the things I'm most worried about changing in Kansas City, a, I live,

Speaker 1 44:32

I live in a part of town that's traditionally this sort of like, uh, uh, LGBT, uh, Q friendly part of Kansas City, which I dunno if, uh, if you guys are from the Midwest, but for people right here that's pretty highly priced, uh, for the Lgbtq community. It's, it's, it's rare. It's unique in that regard. Uh, and one of the things that would happen with the gentrification of midtown is that those communities of, of safety would sort of be forced to disperse. So, I mean, when you're talking about, you know, the, the safety of communities and the way people react, like that's, that's one of the things you have to keep in mind, that there are people that live there for a reason. And, and safety is one of them. And the people they're trying to be safe from is like,

Speaker 9 45:19

uh,

Speaker 1 45:21

well like you, you know, like, like as you were saying, when these people move into communities of color and they start, you know, calling the police on people because people are, um, uh, like not walking on the sidewalk, they were walking in the middle of the street or they're walking through someone's yard or whatever and everybody gets very strange as soon as you buy a house.

Speaker 5 45:38

Really Weird. Yeah. Or they're just, you know, having a life and being loud and joyous or whatever. And that is offensive to these like states, middle class, white boring people.

Speaker 1 45:53

Yeah. I mean, and, and you do see it, uh, you do see it with people who aren't used to living in places where people have to rely on each other. Uh, that it's just sort of a, it's, it's a blow back I will say. I think the question you were getting at earlier is like where those people go. Is that where we ended up from here? Yeah.

Speaker 5 46:11

Where they go and what it means to serve Fi for two to exist underneath this check, through this process of gentrification. I mean

Speaker 1 46:24

people move, uh, I mean the, the thing that seems to be happening the most in Kansas City is people either moving to independence Missouri, which is further east and the east side psychic runs right up to our, uh, right up to city limits and then out to southeast Kansas City. Um, uh, which is like more of a suburban sprawl area, but sort of like, yeah,

Speaker 9 46:46

uh, uh,

Speaker 1 46:48

blue collar, middle class working class communities out there, but they're very much a suburban and that they don't have any sort of urban infrastructure. Um, and this is a, this is a real, uh, to my mind, this is the biggest danger of sort of Midwestern gentrification is going to be like the wave of suburban poverty. People are going to start moving out to places that used to be the, uh, the, the middle class neighborhood you went to live in, in the 70s or the, the 60s, and now they're going to be just as poor or just is a precarious, but in a place where there are no buses and, uh, you know, no soup kitchens, you know, possibly not even a thrift store. Uh, within, within distance story, you're totally reliant on a,

Speaker 9 47:40

on a car. Um,

Speaker 1 47:42

so to me this is their, this is the real danger, uh, that, uh, we're going to sort of create these gray zones so we don't have to pay attention to, you know, uh, just outside of cities,

Speaker 9 47:54

um, that are, uh,

Speaker 1 47:56

Eric going to be in, in a lot of ways, uh, just as bad to say d, uh, neighborhood, uh, you know, poverty stricken neighborhood now, uh, but with, uh, with a lot, with a lot higher qualifiers,

Speaker 9 48:08

a little

Speaker 8 48:10

elevate danger. I think I, I had not even really thought about about that. You think about the way that a, that a city or any kind of, um, settlement grows from the, from the center out and then it begins to kind of decay from the sense of out I say decay not as an object, but you know, the, what used to be the prosperous center kind of moves out with, with white flight. And then once the, once the prosperous people reached the very edge, there's nowhere else for them to go but back into the center. And so from the center they pushed the poverty indicate out ahead of them. And I don't know what happens once the, once the, what you call the gray area reaches that furthest circle. That was the extent of it.

Speaker 3 49:02

The third is that the, um, the bourgeoisie kind of bled from the city. I don't know why he's off of that point.

Speaker 1 49:11

Th th the thing that I feel like we're going to see in our immediate future is we're going to see a lot of people in poverty, like essentially like two families to a split level home. You know, like, like it's going to be this strange turnaround where, uh, that this, uh, our generation's wealthy people, they're going to be moving into like, you know, a 1000 foot condos and, uh, our, uh, generations, uh, poor people are going to be living in like ranch houses with half acre backyard. Uh, it's, it's going to be, it's his turn of events. Um, and it's one that actually a friend of mine, that same anarchist that I mentioned earlier in the show called him like 2006. He was like, he's like, all these cities are going to look like European cities. He's like, every city in America is going to look like a European city where all the poor people live on the outside. Now the rich people live on the inside. He was like, just you wait,

Speaker 5 50:03

when you really think about it, where you want to be is sort of like where people and services are. So it really like this whole, this whole move to suburbanization urbanization was really just this, uh, this is kind of a sane response to this

Speaker 3 50:21

incredible level of

Speaker 5 50:24

racial animus. Uh, and, and the aftermath of desegregation was essentially, you know, to have reason, a resegregation and you can't just pick up the entire city and move it. So, and so you have essentially like these, these people moving to the outskirts, into the suburbs, uh, with, with all of their wealth. And then, you know, after a couple of generations though, oh shit, there's nothing to do out here. This subverts suck. Let's move back into the cities. And then we're back into those neighborhoods that they played out of, into, in the first place. And, and, you know, basically reverse the process to all those shitty separate said that wealthy people no longer want to live in. Well, it doesn't matter if they don't have services. It doesn't matter if they don't have public transportation, doesn't matter

Speaker 6 51:16

all this stuff. They're poor. We don't care about them. Yeah. It's, and, and the thing is, gentrification is a, is a bubble. It's a bubble. Like it's going to burst. And you cannot go through the process of, uh, commoditizing and privatizing entire municipalities, um, to the highest bidder in, in one, in a, in a consumption based economy. Most of our local cities, you know, what, what are they running off of? They're running off of service industry there, you know, who you know, who's buying things, who's making things. This is a, this is like, it's a bubble and it's riding high right now, but that's not going to be forever. As we saw in 2008, those bubbles can burst very, very fast, uh, with uh, wide shock waves and when it's one that's going to be based entirely on municipalities and service economies, I don't, I honestly have no idea what that means, but it's going to be pretty fucking terrible. I think we already is starting to, to kind of see that, that bubble if not popping than at least deflating with, uh, the slow death of the mall. Um, and the, as you said, the big box store store replaced by all of these small box stores. That how much of that is, is due to gentrification. And how much of that is just due to, um, all these stores are loose, all these malls losing their anchor store or something like that and having to fill it with, with pretty much anything that they can, I mean, I would say that, uh, gentrification is, it is a piece of it in that it's like, it's endemic to this phase of capitalism, you know, um, you know, these malls going under or going under for the same reason that, you know, uh, I think the central vacation bubble's going to burst is that they weren't sustainable. When you, when you purposely build communities like suburban communities where you house a lot of these large malls and these communities are difficult to get into on purpose. They're difficult to find on purpose. They're meant to be a low population on purpose. And then you build giant mega structures it to it. Eventually you're gonna run out of people to serve is, and, and that's the way I feel with the sort of creative class boom. In American cities, it's going to burst because you're just going to run out of people that can buy $40 soap. Like there's just not that many people, you know, like, eh, or they're going to, or those people are going to get older and they're gonna be like, oh, $40 soap, a stupid, I've got to buy like diapers now or whatever. Like it's, it's not sustainable. And I mean, suburbs themselves aren't sustainable. But now because of this phase of capitalism, we're moving out people, the suburbs who don't deserve to be nude from orbit and like, uh, it's, uh, it's, it's going to be a pretty bad spot. This would be just panicking right now. Anytime I talk about this, I get panicky, justified panic. Um, and I mentioned the I five corridor before. Uh, it is bad. I mean, there, there are entire neighborhoods, towns, communities out there that really never recovered because there was a, you know, there's a huge land speculation and housing boom, uh, in the beginning of the 21st century and a lot, and there was pure speculation. There was no reason to do all of those houses where they were, there was only a very few places that actually needed to really build up their housing stock and they didn't. And building it, building suburbs was just a terrible idea. But because of the way that, the way that property, the capitalists value of, of property,

Speaker 4 55:15

okay.

Speaker 6 55:15

Verdict, the entire process of building to house people and you know, there are places where, uh, um, you know, houses are just falling down empty that have never been lived in, uh, you know, there's, there's a sucking of, um, jobs, uh, you know, outside the service sector to other countries that has been continuously happening and there's not a whole lot that to do for people. So yeah, it's a depressing topic and it's, Eh, you know, and a lot of people, you know, I, I guess, you know, I mean I had to break it up to you and it's like, it seems like we're in an era of accelerationism right now. Um, uh, but, um, well, I mean, Trump was elected, were all accelerationist now.

Speaker 4 56:13

Okay.

Speaker 6 56:14

Is that the, is that, is that the word on the street? That's how the house, that was the meme floating around on Twitter and the wake of the election

Speaker 5 56:24

and it's just like, well shit, I guess we're all accelerationist.

Speaker 1 56:29

Yeah. Oh, okay. Uh, I was like, I was like, man, I didn't get the memo. I didn't know. I gotta I gotta talk to the Geb about this. Yeah. They don't put it on the minutes that it was definitely decided at a meeting that you wanted to add. Oh, tight. I love that sometimes like, uh, every time I missed a meeting last month, like the uniforms changed and I have to buy a whole new set of clothing.

Speaker 5 56:56

Well, I mean, you know, really what it comes down to is it, you know, socialism or barbarism, what we're seeing is a descendant of barbarism, uh, as, as sort of the capitalist system consumes itself in it's constant quest for growth, but some sort of viewing about that. Um, I, I know that you, you for one year, um, uh, a member of Iww, right? Uh, on, Yup. The incarcerated workers organizing committee. You guys have something that she'll do one coming up pretty soon. [inaudible] right?

Speaker 1 57:31

Yeah. Uh, August 19th is the millions for prisoners rally and it's organized by several different groups. A jailhouse lawyers speak incarcerated workers, organizing committee, uh, tons of others. Um, it's essentially, it's, uh, it's, uh, in solidarity with, uh, waves of, uh, uh, prison laborers who have organized themselves sort of structures of a self defense, uh, against the carceral state. Um, and we are acting is sort of outside solidarity and the best way that we can, because obviously they are behind prison walls. Uh, so it's, it's very hard to directly act. Um, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's going to be hopefully huge. Hopefully gigantic. Hopefully it's bigger than last year. I hope it, I hope it really is. I hope it's tens of billions for prisoners and twenties of millions of prisoners and still tens of millions. But whenever I want it to be huge, um, what exactly is going down or it's on the inside? Um, well, uh, essentially, uh, as far as, uh, uh, I walks role in it, it's providing solidarity and assistance to people trying to unionize themselves within prison walls and build power. And, um, well it's as traditional as it can be in that situation. But in, in traditional revolutionary unionism, uh, it's, it's very difficult work. It's, uh, it's, you know, you never really, you never really know if you're going to actually get through to anybody, if you're gonna be able to talk to him again. Uh, it's, it's pretty tough stuff. And, and I have to say, the, the, the, the prisoners that I've seen, uh, speaking back and forth, are there sort of a lead organizers on this are true? These, some of the like is

Speaker 6 59:22

people I've ever seen. Uh, they, they, they live in unimaginable conditions to a lot of us who've never been inside a, I've never been inside a, so it's, Eh, eh, that the level of bravery that they have. It really, I think about it often when I'm, when I'm in an action and where a chanting or whatever. And uh, and there's this hesitancy to like, you know, like move off the sidewalk into the street and things like that. And I think about some of the, some of the people inside who are, you know, I walk members inside prisons and I'm like, we're cowards. Go for it. It's like these, these guys are, you know, like I'm not, I'm not going to get into ISO, you know, like I'm not gonna get thrown to the tank for this. Yeah. And if,

Speaker 8 1:00:08

if this talk about Iraq intrigues you, we do have an episode back in the archives, which Tiberias we'll put a link to in the show notes where we, we spent an episode talking with, with an Iwatch organizer who, um, actually is not a wobbly. So now we've got, we've got a perspective from a, from a non Welby I walk member and now your perspective as well.

Speaker 6 1:00:29

Yeah. I listened to that interview and I felt like a big idiot baby who's never done anything. That was like the most hardcore interview. I've listened to in so long. I was like, uh, I was like, I was like, I've got to discipline myself. I can do like 10 pushups. Uh, like shit. Actually feeling like a big dumb idiot maybe who's never done anything. I do, I do help out with, I walk a lot of the stuff that, a lot of the work that I do is supposedly a for IWW and GDC though. Um, that's primarily where I focus. We're not a very huge chapter, so like there's a lot of overlap back and forth, you know. Um, but yeah, uh, we, we all help each other out whenever we need it. But yeah, my, my focuses are like a coalition building through the GDC and then a workplace campaigns whenever you can get those going. How is that going by the way? I'm not a wildly myself, so I'm, I'm less familiar with the process of this. But um, so the way that it works is that you guys aren't actively recruiting at job sites, right? You're, you're basically giving people training and if, if they come to you and giving them aid and solidarity, if, if they are trying to, you, you know, there their shops but you don't actually go out and intentionally target shops to organize. Right. Um, I can't speak for other chapters, but I know it's something that's been talked about at ours quite a bit. Like where should we go? Where the people that, things like that, you know, because, uh, you know, our primary concern is building our primary concern is building a power for people to defend themselves and their workplaces in their communities. Uh, but yes, our, our general model of organizing is, uh, people generally approach us. We provide training, advice, things like that. Because our general opinion is that if you say you're union, you are a union. If there, if you work in a place of 40 people and 15 of you decide you're a union, guess what man? They're going to have to prove you wrong because you are one. So, uh, since we don't really have that sort of, um, structure of traditional professional unions, uh, where you're constantly on the hunt and, uh, we definitely believe in the autonomy of people in workplaces that to defend themselves and decide their own futures in petition their own lives. It does make that, uh, uh, it does make that a little bit more, I'm trying to say here, I don't want to say difficult because I'm, I'm actually for this, it means that we have to approach things differently. Yeah. So, uh, I'm assuming that Kansas City, you guys used to be a pretty heavily unionized town. Yeah. And, but you know, as you're saying with [inaudible] and the gentrification issues that a lot of that has been sort of depressed. Do you still see that trajectory falling or you see a resurgence and at least people talking about unionization, the, do you see that there is a growing sense of recognition that this is something that has been happening? It needs to be reversed. It's, it's hard to tell. We're a very spread out city. It's, it's really difficult. You know, I think as I said earlier about the just sort of like depressed political state in general here, it's hard to take the temperature, but I will say, you know, we've definitely had more people show more interest in the IWW in the past several months, especially since the Trump election then, you know, I mean, when I was, when I was a, as young as some of the people approaching the IWW now I definitely did not give a crap about revolutionary unionism or the, the structures of the Iww in particular. It seemed very crusty to me at 19, but now that I'm in my thirties, I'm like, yeah, like crusty. This is good.

Speaker 8 1:04:39

Um, there was one member of my GMB, um,

Speaker 6 1:04:44

who I would describe as as crusty told us a story.

Speaker 8 1:04:51

I think the having the FBI after him because he was, uh, he was a draft dodger and right to come and capture him. So they were trying to, they were trying to arrest him and take him away and he's just running through the woods naked.

Speaker 6 1:05:05

Yeah, that's, that's an extremely older radical story. That's a good one. They have all these amazing stories and what do we have? We have, oh, I, yeah, I shit post on Twitter and

Speaker 8 1:05:18

uh, I had a podcast and like there was some dank means and then some guy hit me with a car. Like,

Speaker 5 1:05:27

yeah, I mean we'll, we'll start, they'll start somewhere. I mean really what we're looking at is the why because the first baby steps of a left wing movement, you know, because because our, uh, the left in this country has been so, so repressed and so thoroughly destroyed. Uh, you basically have to rebuild almost everything. Like we have old crusty textbooks and, and these, uh, old theories and ideologies and these, you know, decayed crusty structures of organizations of, of an error past, but basically rebuild them. We need to build them with an eye towards the context that we live in. Not just sort of, you know, it's a hundred years since the Russian revolution. We can't just, you know, March lockstep with what they did. That's not our time. It's not our context. History doesn't repeat itself with that kind of reputation. If it rhymes, it's, it looks familiar, but it is fundamentally different. So I kind of want to, um, you know, when you mentioned, you know, they've got the crusty old structures, um, and, and I really want to sort of like dig into, well, you know, what about it felt, um, all of them and possibly alien. Uh, and, and where do you see it with a resurgence in new members? Where do you see it changing?

Speaker 1 1:06:59

I would say the most encouraging amount of growth to me as, and this isn't as a member of the Iww, this is just as an anticapitalist a, you know, as a, as a socialist or whatever is, is seeing

Speaker 4 1:07:12

yeah.

Speaker 1 1:07:12

People that sort of like flock to the GDC programs, to the GDC project. Uh, the General Defense Committee I feel is, is, um, one of the most

Speaker 4 1:07:24

potent

Speaker 1 1:07:25

sort of political projects of our time, uh, in, in my mind, it really is, it's, it's outstanding. Uh, the tactics that most GDC is used to communicate what they need are, uh, very admirable. And I liked that people think about their communities, they think about their lives in their areas, you know, outside of a, just a workplace context and apply that sort of the Iww picket style politics to it. So to me, they, that to me that's very encouraging thinking about their local communities and how they can take care of each other.

Speaker 5 1:08:00

Okay. So, um, we're kind of running up against our time limit here. Uh, so, uh, where can people find you and your work?

Speaker 1 1:08:08

You can find my, uh, my, uh, uh, art at a, it's a sad, sad thing. Dot. Uh,

Speaker 6 1:08:16

and you could always hit me on Twitter at, at local fanzine. Uh, I love to be berated on the Internet by comrades and non comrades alike. Uh, so if you'd like to add me and tell me that I'm stupid and that you hate my voice, please do. That's fine. I actually loved that. It's actually cool to me. I'm laughing. I mean, what that means is that someone's paying attention and really that's all that they're just, they're just jealous is what it means. My coolness. Yup.

Speaker 5 1:08:49

All right. Calm. Right. It's, it's been a, it's been great having you on. Uh, if people want to get in contact with us, our email address is left coast podcast@gmail.com. You can find us on Twitter. Uh, the show handle and where I'm usually posting is left aunt lef t p o d car. There's some other comrades that are posting at left coast pot, which kind of confuses people and constantly saying, no thanks. Thanks for, thanks for adding me. But, um, you want to act the other guy's instead? But yeah, they're charlatans and frauds. I've seen that. I mean, you know, you guys find it personally, you fuck intellectual property. I don't think it like they can have left coast podcasts too. They're putting out good content. I don't care. Yeah. All right.

Speaker 6 1:09:39

Just, I'm just saying like a few, they can arm wrestling match for the rights to the chair. Like, Ooh, like over the top like this still in a movie. Like you gotta get an arm wrestle for it.

Speaker 5 1:09:50

You shouldn't do that anyway. I don't need a prize. Um, you can find a calmer at sauce, at communal sauce, not communal sauce because I am an ignorant heck,

Speaker 6 1:10:05

it's spelled exactly what, both ways, right? Whether you choose to pronounce it as an American or as a proper person.

Speaker 5 1:10:14

Oh well. Um, and you can find our screen and our show notes for as long as they stay up on soundcloud, which I don't know. I keep hearing bad things about soundcloud.com/left coast podcast. Uh, you can join us on the Reddit, reddit.com/r/left coast if you want to get into more in depth discussions. And if you want, you get in contact with us, tell us what we're doing wrong, tell us what we're doing right or if you want to come on the show and it's up on Twitter or email address. So with that, I think we're pretty good. So James, thanks for coming on today. Thank you for having me. It's a really good time. Yeah. Thank you James. And with that, go in peace and be in solidarity. Comrades.

Speaker 10 1:11:06

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Speaker 11 1:11:51

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Speaker 10 1:12:11

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Speaker 11 1:12:59

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Speaker 11 1:14:08

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Speaker 2 1:14:29

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